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i am a PATRIOT GUARD RIDER AS THE MISSION THAT I READ AND STAND BY IS THE SAME AS TWISTER REFERS TOO!I WILL STAND WITH ANY AND ALL IN RESPECT. BAIR,AND AM WILLING TO HELP,THOUGH AT TIMES I NEED HELP...THANK GOD
I have at times found myself questioning national PGR's decisions. I have disagreed with some things that I thought should have been suggestions but which came across as edicts.
But.........I'm still here. I'm still here because in my analysis, the PGR remains the most effective vehicle in existence to honor American Warriors. And I've made the personal decision to honor these heroes as effectively as I can so long as I am able.
I don't care if you're white or black or green with yellow dots. I don't care if you're a member of a 1%er motorcycle club. I don't care if you're a doctor, lawyer or Indian chief. Stand with me, hold flags with me, cry with me and you are my brother.
Last week, during the mission that was the excuse for some to resign, the mother of a fallen Marine hugged me and kissed my cheek. She told me that she could not have made it through her ordeal without the support and strength she felt emanating from our ranks.
That's why I'm here. Maybe this is a good time for all of us to ask........"Why am I here?".
I ain't leaving. This job is too important. Y'all gonna have to throw me out.
Steam
South Carolina
Jeff,
Let me first say thank you to you and every single member of our National Staff for the work you all have put into making The Patriot Guard Riders the fantastic organization it has become. I could not imagine NOT honoring ALL of America's Veterans. My first Mission was for Sgt. Brooks in AL. Sgt Brooks was a WWII, Korea, and Vietnam Vet. WHO.....is going to say that this man did not deserve to be honored? Jeff, the PGR is on the right track, we are doing the right thing, and we are doing in the right way. Thank you again for all of you have done.
Todd "Walking Slack" Walker
GA Ride Capt.
I, too, visited the Florida Patriot Guard website. I was appalled at what I found there. I joined the PGR to support the heroes of this nation. First at the funerals of the fallen and now, as the organization has grown, in any program made available by the PGR, be it HOTH, VA retirement home visits, welcome home rides, or troop send-offs. I feel privileged to be given the choice, by PGR, of which missions I will attend. True to the beliefs upon which our nation was founded, I am FREE to choose. Given that freedom I choose to support all of the programs implemented by the PGR. I have been honored to have been offered several positions within the organization as forum moderator, HOTH Ride Captain, and now User Support. I will continue to faithfully support the PGR and our national members. I will not waiver in that loyalty. I will not lose focus of our mission of respect and honor. I will never turn away any man, woman, or child who wishes to stand with me to honor those who have given or spent their lives in service to our country. I will remain true to our mission statement, EVERY WORD OF IT.
Diane "Zippy" Anderson
PROUD PATRIOT GUARD RIDER
I am more saddened to see how long it took for some to realize the truth about this and how long the postings were left on this site to inflame more individuals each day. I will keep sending emails to those wanting to know if this is the Official PGR policy and explaining that it is most definitely NOT... And I will keep sending them out until we clean this up and keep to the mission of standing for our heroes.
Respects,
Johnny b
After visiting the the Florida site I am very greatful they will stand for our fallen heroes and pay them respect. I am however APPALLED they have no regard, or respect for they brave young men and women who have fought, and were fortunate enough to come home at all, either whole or with injuries. We, the people of this great nation, should thank every soldier who has fought for us, in every war or conflict around the world. It is because of their bravery and constitution we have the freedom we enjoy. I am proud to be able to honor those who have given the ultimate sacrifice. I am also proud to honor every other soldier, regardless of age, or war he/she served in, and will gladly welcome home our soldiers from the theatre today. WE AS AMERICANS MUST SUPPORT OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS WHO PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS. If you do not love this land of ours then feel free to relocate to another country. WE WILL NOT MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!
Lee Wentling
I find no greater joy than to stand before a grateful soldier and help him or her as an American. Many of our soldiers have wounds that only by grace prevented them from being an honor mission. I do not feel that they deserve any less respect than our fallen Hero's.
It is with this vision and premise that I was charged with the develpoment of our Help On the Homefront program. with Jeff's and Jason's urging after the pole of our members, I set out to do something for our catastrophically wounded troops. That anyone could question the need for our support of these hero's is a mystery!!
God charged the PGR with a mission of honor that we have carried forth with dignity. The mission is only now becoming clearer. We must stand behind our hero's current, past and future. It is the right thing to do!! Whether they paid the ultimate price or survived by grace, they are our fellow Americans and deserve the respect they are due!! God bless them each and evey one!!
Jeff, you, Jason, Bonnie and the rest of the hard working PGR are true Patriots that want to honor our Veterans. Nuff Said. Dinky
Jeff, everybody, please stay strong. I am PGR. Since I've joined, I have had nothing but friendship, and respect shown to me. I have stood beside people that understand sacrifice, and continue to sacrifice for their country. Why is it easy for PGR to show Honor and Respect?? Because I truly believe that WE LIVE IT each and every day.
Jeff,
Once again you have earned my loyalty as a National Leader and reminded me why I'm a PGR. If what you said is not the "high road", then I haven't seen it before.
Be encouraged my friend. Any organization grown as fast as PGR will go through “culling out” phases, ours in no different. Just remember most of us know this and know that it’s normal. Don’t you dare take any of it personally. It doesn’t matter who’s leading, when some people don’t get their way, they have to start trouble. Better from the outside than the inside.
Disagree we may and we will from time to time. The faithful will work those disagreements out for the sake of the Mission. Those folks who can’t or won’t work it out belong with a like minded group so they can fuss among themselves; leaving us to do our Mission.
National has set a solid direction for PGR and it is working. We’ll stay the course and there are plenty of us to make that happen. Thank you for addressing this head on so we can put it in perspective and carry on with caring for our Heroes, past, present and future. Job well done!
Doc Bart
Jeff,
I am so very sorry this is going on in Florida. I am also sorry they do not see the need for the PGR to be there for all of our American heroes. The first mission I went on was in Springfield, IL for SPC Rodney Reynolds. He was not KIA, but he deserved the honor and respect the PGR gave him. I have been on several missions for KIA as well as missions for our military members who died here at home. If we only honored those who died oversees, I would not have been privileged to stand side by side with fellow PGR members to honor Vietnam Veteran Monty Rucker. The PGR escorted his family from Kansas City to Jefferson Barracks for his burial. It was only his immediate family there. I am so grateful they asked for assistance for the trip across Missouri. It was my daughter’s first mission and now she rearranges her schedule to be at any mission.
I can only imagine the work our State Captains & Ride Captains have to do to make these missions as successful as they are. I am so grateful to them and to all of the PGR leadership.
As membership numbers continue to rise – which is a good thing – there will always be some who want to stir the pot. Members need to remember we are here for the heroes, not for ourselves.
I am overwhelmed with so many emotions that I have the opportunity to associate with such a fine organization.
Finally, I understand why you would be tired. My prayers are with you asking God to give you and all the leadership the strength and courage you need to keep this extraordinary organization going strong. Without you, where would we be?
May God bless you and your work,
Karen Siddall
Why am I not surprised……
Whether it be a new product, a successful company or National hero, someone has to imitate it. And some imitators do succeed because at least they start off with honesty and integrity. Because of this past practice unfortunately, FPG is doomed to fail.
This group did not just form since Thursday. This website did not just form since Thursday. This obviously started in someone's head some time ago and waited for a reason, or embellished upon a reason (as we all are seeing now) to break off and imitate something grand. Can anyone say, "big frog, little pond syndrome?" My only sorrow goes to those that join FPG under these false pretenses not knowing.
As long as we continue to do what we do to the best of our ability, Patriot Guard Riders will always survive. And our doors will always be open to those that have been mislead by imitators to join us. Or rejoin us. No questions asked.
Remember, our report card is our letters we receive, the thank yous given and the hugs and tears that are shared. When these stop, we have a malfunction. Until then, don't be drained by the drama that imitators present. Longevity speaks for itself.
Bless you all,
Reaps
Pacific Western Regional Captain
Jeff, thank you for all that you do.
I am a rank and file guy that has been too busy to even attend an event here in Nebraska for the last couple of weeks. It is for that reason that I am especially grateful to the state and national staff for what they do. I don't even pretend to know what all those things are, but they allow me to just show up and pay my respects. Thank you.
Jeff, everybody has an opinion, and it seems like everybody seems to "know" how to do things better. If they want to quit and do things "better," that's okay by me...it just means that they will probably be at some of the same events as the PGR. But you can't let the buttheads get you down, what you are doing is important...with or without them.
There are close-minded people everywhere...that is why this group was formed. If they don't want to honor the same people as you, or stand next to the same people as you, that is fine, they can come to some events, and not come to the rest.
As for me, I will stand with you and the PGR and whoever else comes to honor those who dedicated their lives to preserving this great country. This organization is a wonderful idea, and it is the one I will stay with. If everyone else leaves...I will still by your side. Thank you.
Twister
The PGR has brought meaning back to my life after the lost of my son, it has slowed me that there is still people who really care about others and care about our Nation and our Flag.
Thanks for all you do. VERY PROUD TO BE A PATRIOT GUARD RIDER.
Wayne (grumpy)
One of the reasons I joined PGR was because it was such a humbling organization. We do not want or need credit for what we do because we get it in the feelings of our heart. I understand that there are some people who want the bright lights, cameras, action or glory. I consider myself a person who stands at the back of the room where the lights are dim. Why? Because I have contentment in who I am and what I do. I don't need the 'glory' so to speak or the approval of others to be the man that I am. When I do something for someone else, it should be done, as I interpret the good book, to do it anonymously if we can. If any member has come to this organization to serve yourself in any way, you are in the wrong organization. There are many organizations out there that will feed your thirst for the limelight. Please, don't hide behind the 'it's not about us' when you want it so much to be about you. We're not here for that and that is not what this wonderful organization is about. If you disagree with this organization or it's goals, and feel the need to terminate your membership, please, have enough respect to bow out with your dignity intact and don't negate such a fine organization. You can go, I am not going with you no matter how you feel or what you say. All I can say is goodbye and good luck. Please don't make me feel 'good riddens' to boot. Just my humble opinion.
Rick Klein
Proud National PGR member helping out the state of Oregon and surrounding areas as a ride captain.
Rick_Klein@patriotguard.org
Can someone do me a favor and give me the reader's digest version of what the problems and controversy is all about?
I haven't been the most dilligent in reading the website forums, but bottom line....I just don't get what anyone would have a problem with in this organization.
My e-mail address is jwdenni@cox.net
Jeff,
You have my complete support. 110%.
Mike "Monkeybucket" Bartimus
South AL VSO
Daphne. AL
I'm with Steam. You're going to have to drag me out, kicking and screaming!
The only thing I've heard from the captains on missions is what the family wants, or what the family needs. That's why I'm there. I have never been given a reason to question National's leadership. Tell me where upcoming missions are and I'll do what I can to be there.
Godspeed and God Bless
Thanks for all you guys at national do.
We may all have different reasons for why we do these rides. BUT....When we stand there to honor a fallen hero and try to help a grieving family nothing else really matters.
I guess I haven't read all the postings to understand the issues.
I do know that America has had many heros in our history over the years.
I really don't think that when they served or died really matters.
When we loose a soldier we loose someone that stood up and was willing to go where their country needed them.
Any new organization has growing pains. PGR isn't any different. Let's remember why we all do this in the first palce that is what truly matters.
Shelly
DAV
Fellow PGR Members,
Seven months ago I picked up the paper and read about some misguided folks protesting at soldiers funerals but I also read about a group of people showing up to honor and protect the familys of our fallen heros. That nite I joined and two days later I drove my truck three hours one way to stand in 20 degree temps with total strangers to shield a young soldiers family from a sight no grieving family should not have to witness. I came away from that mission with a deeper respect for those who serve, a few new friends who I now consider my family, and a gut feeling that I would never tolerate a familys mourning to be tainted by those protesters. The missions were simple then, but as we grow we have took on new and just as important missions, welcome homes, deployment escorts, help on the homefront,and funerals for others who have served the american people. It gets complicated and overwhelming at times, but it all boils down to respect and that is one thing that will keep this PROUD PATRIOT GUARD RIDER straight on that path I chose the nite I joined. Attitudes will come and go as will some members but if we all stick to what our mission statement states we cant go wrong.
Your Fellow Patriot
MIKE TODD
Jeff,
and all the PGR.... I think with anything that is this big and has grown this fast, your going to find those that envy the power and want it for them self.
Maybe some that joined the PGR just did not understand, that we are not trying to acheive perfection, we are not trying to please each and every single member... for God's sake people we are here to serve the fallen, family and friends... and the wonderfull privledge of Welcoming them home or a parade... thats it!!!
If that means, allowing a non-member, a member of another group... heck a dog (if it can behave and hold a Flag ;-) in the line, then so be it. Who would in there right mind think that it would be so much about themself to want to deny anyone. Do they think the family wants there to be one less person, one less flag in the line?, they should not even know who we are... because there should be a Flag in front of our face.
As for all the other crap and politics trying to be forced into the PGR... it aint gonna happen. We are what?, almost 55,000 strong now, the small group that cant handle being in a group without starting politics and drama... good ridins.
Look at it like this, we are doing individual missions... together.
It is keeping the PGR un-complicated, un-political, un-controling that makes it the success that it is and will outlast all others. That is why this is the only group I would and have ever joined.
Jeff, as far as the FL group, or any others trying to make contact with LEO, or 1% clubs to bad mouth us... I think that is a wonderfull idea, because the LEO's (most already know what we are about) will atomaticaly become suspicious of them... they aint stupid and the 1%'ers.. well, they just aint gonna be spoon feed anything, if anything they might take that as a real sign of disrespect and them being real chicken sh*t's... I would not want to be the one trying to walk up to a PH (Patch Holder) and sheepishly drop a dime on someone else, LOL. Good luck. (as far as the patch on our back... they really need to learn proper protocal... it is not three piece, which it could be... 1. as long as it dont infringe on another clubs design, colors or logo. 2. that it does not have state or city teritory. If all else fails dont wear to club teritory, and/or if asked to take it off... do it! period end of subject.. I wear mine with pride)
Jeff, National, local, individuals... all PGR, Stay strong, keep doing what we are doing (even with a occasional mistake or two, three whatever... just shows we are human) just the way we are doing it.
With only one foucus, one purpose...
The mission!
God Bless, stay strong...
Bryan.
PS. above statements are my own... I do not repersent any one else or the PGR as a whole.
Jeff,
I joined the PGR in April because I heard why it was originally formed and what was happening at the funerals of American Heroes and I was appalled. It has grown and by membership request we have the choice to attend funerals of any veteran regardless of what war they fought or Welcome Home Rides, Or Mission Send Offs for departing troops. I am a Viet Nam Vet and when I came home from my part in the war and was waiting for my civilian flight to start my leave I was jeered, yelled at and called a baby killer. There was no respect. I for one am glad that this other ride options have been added but I have my own personal reasons. I will continue to ride with the PGR and I will choose which missions I will attend based on my personal preference and work commitments. I personally have found a niche to help heal some old wounds and discovered a level of patriotism in myself that I thought had been lost.
I have found numerous new brothers and sisters who ride, drive, walk or run for their own reasons but the end result is all the same we meet to honor American Heroes. I am willing to stand with them and any new people that arrive as long as they are there to honor and respect the veterans and their families.
My own personal agenda is the same as some others that I have seen and that is to never let the disrespect happen again without someone being there to offer an opposing view point.
NEVER AGAIN!
Gene (adccop) AZ Ride Captain and Proud Supporter of the PGR and the Mission Statement.
I will ride to honor those that have served and died, I will ride to honor those that have served and lived. I will ride to honor those who are currently serving and I will ride to honor those that will someday serve.
I will ride with ANYONE who is willing to ride to show their respect.
I will ride whether I agree or disagree.
I will ride...
Tony Turner
Virginia District 3 Ride Captain
I am proud to have found and become a part of the Patriot Guard Riders. I do not plan on visiting the Florida Patriot Rider website any time soon. I do not need to fill my life and mind with their tripe.
I have seen the rumblings of the ‘underbelly’ and passed it off as so much discomfort from too much beer, too much insecurity or the general nagging from a significant other. I had to laugh at some of their demands, and commented on those that hit close to home for me.
I closely studied the Patriot Guard Rider mission statement, because I don’t join organizations by emotion. I found that I agree with EVERY tenant of this organization. I do know that sometimes tough decisions need to be made by the Ride Captains, the State Captains and the National leadership. It may ‘twinge’ at first, but as time (usually short) passes, I understand their reasoning. I appreciate their honesty, dedication and desire to see this organization succeed.
This is a free nation, so the FPR have every right to break away in unjustified anger. But they do not have the right to defame the Patriot Guard Rider organization with untrue and libelous statements. Poisoning members from Florida against the PGR is the vain, desperate last ditch attempt to raise their organization against us. Remember, those without solid footing will walk over the backs of those who do. Their hatred will doom them. Their false witness will paint them as they really are. An angry, childish, misdirected organization that will be shunned by those we serve with respect and honor.
I keep on riding because the fiancée of Sgt Travis Van Zoest. Keisa Austin, every time I see her in public, she will run up to me, give me a BIG hug, and show me my mission completed pin I gave her pinned next to the Purple Heart designated pin for Travis. I love her so much as a friend. Our lives transversed because of tragedy. But from that a good thing has sprung. We are both healthier because of our friendship. I attribute that mutual healthiness to the Patriot Guard Riders.
To the PGR leadership, I salute you and your dedication. I aspire to be like you. I am proud because I have something to be proud of. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and soul.
Daniel ‘dbeesh’ Biesheuvel
Bismarck, North Dakota
This sounds like the FPR is forming a CLUB! If that's the case, let them run with it. As far as the smears go, enough of us know enough people and organizations in our individual "spheres of influence" to counteract any negative effects.
Odds are that they will step on somebody's toes and get themselves shut down, anyhow.
God Bless, take it easy....
Reverend Ray, Chap & SAA
Veterans Brotherhood
Vets Motorcycle Club, Ma Chap.
-and- PGR Member since May 06
"Never Forget Your Brothers"
As I have been reading these posts, I am remiinded of the deMoors reunion mission. A soldier, Killed In Action, had a last wish, to be buried next to his son. His son wasn't KIA, but the PGR did what was needed to to to help comfort his family and HONOR the last request of a soldier that died standing up for his nation. This showed everyone not just what the Patriot Guard does, but what it stands for. I have been approached by MANY who didn't know about PGR and tell me just how impressed they were and how worthy our missions are.
I will be PGR for life, until that day that I need PGR to ride for me...
"Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:30
Folks, my Boss told me to dust my feet of the FPG and to stay focused. Since my Boss created this planet, I'll stick to His advice.
Jeff, do your thing bro. Ask for God's blessing and you'll get it. I believe the FPG will not have His blessing until they first remove the plank from their eye. Until then, they're spittin' in the wind.
Trust me, that can get messy :)
It takes little minds to put down a great organization of people that only want to honor our Hero's. Please ignore them and they will control their own demise. The PGR mission is VERY simple and it requires very little explanation.
I have been a member of many car clubs over the last 30 years (my other hobby). What I have learned is that some people need to be in control and need to be bigger than life. This is why I no longer join clubs.
I joined PGR because there is one thing that we do. To show respect and honor our American Hero's of past and present. Not to follow some small minded individuals that need to be in the lime light.
I WILL stay with PGR!! To quote one member on here, "you will have to drag me out" . O, and bring help, you'll need it!!!!!
To PGR Leaders: Keep up the hard work!! Many of us appreciate it!!!!
Dennis (DMJolly) PGR
Hatfield, PA
Once again I say...I have NO need to click on a link to know the difference between right and wrong. As long as we all stay focused on our mission, there is no drama, no indecision. It becomes very clear. Our soldiers and thier familes deserve that, and so much more.
Guess you might be stuck with me too Jeff....just remember I can be an evil redhead when provoked, so if you are planning on throwing me out ya might need a regiment!
Louann Cawthon
Az State PGR Captain
"And when he reaches the pearly gates, to Saint Peter, he will say “One more soldier reporting sir. I’ve served my time in hell.” " This quote may be from a game but it will always stand true. The men and women who have and are keeping us safe are who we do this for and I will never forget that or them.
Thank you PGR leadership for all you do. Looks like big egos are at work in Florida.
Bill
Minnesota
I have 2 cents too! I feel very passionately about the PGR. If one reads the mission statement and doesn't agree, then they don't have to join. It's not about me or you but about something much greater than all of us and those of us who feel compelled to honor and respect all soldiers will continue to do so. After all, the reward for doing a good deed is having done it.
I went to that web site, but I shouldn’t have. It appears that they feel a person should be ashamed to part of PGR. Only they can decide who is worthy. I am not ashamed of being a member. I am proud and humbled to be a small part of something that has given comfort to many people.
The mission statement says it all. If you believe in that, does it make a difference what brand of bike or cage you came on/in? Does it make a difference if you have a leather vest, a cloth one or no vest at all? Does the color of your shirt make a difference? Vet or not? I do not believe it should.
I go on missions that I am able to and agree with. I do appreciate all the leaders do to keep us informed.
I am a 28 year member of USAF. I was never ashamed to wear the uniform, even coming home in Nov of 1968 and the TET offense and the media coverage of that. Never Again means a lot to me.
Let me say, I have been on more then one mission. One image that that is burned into my brain. We were packing up to leave after the service. A lady and a young girl, 10 or so, came over to say thank you. I responded with, It our honor to be able to be here. Then the young girl asked, Are there motorcycles in Heaven? My uncle always wanted one, but never had one. The only thing I could think of was, I know Heaven will take care of your Uncle. The little girl said, Thank you, Sir. Did the sky get a little misty, yes it did. Lets continue doing what we know is right.
Old Silver Honda Rider
No matter what anyone else thinks, when a family comes up to you and thanks you for being there, thats when I knew it was the right thing to do. I will always be PGR Thank-you for what you do.
This poster said it best.
No matter what anyone else thinks, when a family comes up to you and thanks you for being there, thats when I knew it was the right thing to do. I will always be PGR Thank-you for what you do.
posted @ Monday, September 18, 2006 6:30 PM by USAFX2 MOM
I'm humbled and honored to be a PGR. Do the people who decided to leave remember why they joined in the first place and the feelings in their heart and soul when they attended their first few missions. If whoever decides to go elsewhere that's freedom of choice and is what this country is all about. As brothers of freedom and Americans have the respect and honor to not to disrespect or dishonor the PGR or any other organization that is doing the right thing for all of OUR WARRIORS. Let us fight and argue as brothers knowing that we can agree to disagree, but let anyone come against either of us(like the protesters) and we will stand side by side as brothers and do what we know is right together. kokomo
To be fair I did a little reading on the "other" site and all I can say is YES to the PGR.
Still standing tall and silent whenever needed and able.
I agree with Steam and several other members... I'm here to honor the hero's who currently serv or have served with honor. I don't care if it's a WW II, Korea or Viet Nam vet I'll still stand at attention for them to say thank you. It sounds like the Florida group wants to make it more about them than about the soldier. When it comes to the PGR it's not about me or about the PGR, it's about the brave soldier who gave all.
Shame on them...
The mission will never waiver and as we all know NOW we face enemies BOTH foreign and domestic.
Shame...
I am very proud to be a member of the PGR- and will be one until I die. It is a honor to ride for the people that gave the ulitimate sacrifice for this country.
God bless the PGR.
Tim (Cometman)
As an Military MC member from Florida, my Club attended a funeral for a KIA, Clayton Murphy did not recognize us, attempt to talk to us, thanked us for being there or any other gesture of RESPECT. we had 20+ Club Members in attendance. Good riddance to him.
I know it's been said before, but freedom is an important thing. We all have the freedom to join or quit organizations, and we all must decide what is truly important to each of us.
For many years, I have griped about how the world in general has become a very selfish place. People only seem to look out for themselves, and seem to be willing to walk over anyone else in their endeavors. Like many others, I had heard of the activities of the PGR through a roundabout fashion--"those guys are protesting funerals", "some other guys ride motorcycles to put a stop to it." I didn't find the PGR immediately, but I loved what I saw when I did. And of course I joined.
Why do we do what we do? Everyone must answer that question individually, but I will simply say that it is the right thing to do. I feel that every person who is serving or has served honorably deserves the respect of each of us. I also cannot, and will not, compromise in that regard.
As for the FPR, if what I have seen is correct, then they do appear to be a group of people whose egos have gotten a bit large. Personal speculation would say that they enjoyed the "authority" position of being a ride captain, etc., but when they realized that they could go no higher within the organization, at least in their area, then they had to find a way to do it anyway. How many times has this happened in the business world, when an employee leaves and starts a competing company? I think this makes my point on that.
Finally, I do appreciate the freedoms that got me to join this organization and get me to ride whenever I can. Before any ride, I can answer the questions of "Can I schedule it?" and "Can I complete it without killing myself?" without any pressures from the organization itself. We joined because we want to do the right thing, but most of us (if not all) are not independently wealthy, so this cannot be our only focus in life. I personally balance a full time job, along with pursuing an Engineering degree, so I cannot make every ride--but that is up to me to determine. If I cannot be there because of work, the PGR will still do its part. If I cannot be there because of school, the PGR will do its part. Even if health issues, mechanical breakdowns, or family issues come up, the PGR will do its part. Yes, in order to survive, the PGR needs us--but the "us" that it needs is comprised of the willing, motivated, patriotic, and concerned people that is the core of its mission. I am one of them, and proud to be so. I evaluate myself on this, and I determine if I am doing what I can. My bike may not be the flashiest, and certainly is not the loudest, but it doesn't matter to me--if it makes the family happy, then I made a difference. I will continue to try to make a difference--just somebody try to stop me.
Standing by for the next time I am needed,
Todd Greer AKA DisGuy
Rosenberg, TX
(Snaps a quick salute and exits stage right)
Jeff, Only God could have given such a vision that would bless so many with strength and support at their most vulnerable moment.
The PGR will undoubtably continue to be the greatest calling of America's truest patriots , second only to our Armed forces.
Weeding out the weak is neccesary that the strong can stand! I am proud to serve as a Patriot Guard Rider.I am sure in time true patriots will emerge and stand proud in Florida.
Respectfully,
Dave Kern
R/C Region 2 NY
Wow, after reading Florida's forum I see the true Patriots are already there! Thank you to those who have taken on leadership and thank you to each member who makes up Florida!
Dave Kern
R/C Region 2 NY
It has been a blessing and an honor to stand with the Patriot Guard Riders in every mission I have been able to attend.
I will continue to serve proudly with all--active duty, retiree, civilian, biker, cager, club member, independent . . . in short, any and all who will stand with us and "Do the Right Thing". Not just for our KIA's, but for all who have sacrificed for this great country.
It has been and will continue to be an honor to be a member of PGR. I will stand with anyone, anywhere,anytime if it is to honor a fallen hero,vet, or anyone who wants us there. Anyone who thinks we should not visit Vets ath the VA facilities has probably not been there and seen the appreciation of the vets, family, and staff there.
You can call me whatever name you can think of in the book. You can try to affiliate me with any group that you can think of. I will stand by my brothers in the Patriot Guard Riders til the day comes that they hold the flag as my casket rolls by.
I believe in this organization. I believe that its cause is just. I believe that what it was originally founded for remains true yesterday, today and tomorrow.
I will not waver in the face of those that try to discredit me, my brothers or my sisters in this organization.
I defended this country and what I believe in what it stood for for twenty years willing to give the ultimate sacrifce if need be. I will stand in any weather, anywhere to pay respect for our heroes as a Patriot Guard Rider.
names ain't going to kill me.
Jeff I will stand beside you til the end.
Jeff I started with the PGR in April have worked hard to get things rolling here in Erie Pa and just set up my 1st mission as RC for NW Pa under Don Bright SC Due to other issues at home I have dropped out of GWRRA and as Asst. Director of our Ch. stepped down, BUT I WILL NOT LEAVE THE PGR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS I am true blue to the PGR
We are and will continue to stand with our fellow PGR's with Respect and Honor of our true American Hero's, past and present. ALL missions of veterns are worth our efforts. They can never have too much respect and honor shown to them. We joined not looking for thanks or recognition for what we do, simply to do what we must so they can never say," never again." When a mother of a fallen soldier hugs you and tells you that she can now face the world knowing her only son died for what is considered the greatest country in the world, it makes what we do seem so small, yet consider what she has just done.
Stand tall and proud fellow PGR's... we are making a difference for the good of all.
Maggie and Chuck Taylor Harrison, MI
Jeff;
I have only been to a few missions but before I even knew about PGR, I arranged for a homecoming for a unit of Marines, none of which I even knew. I believe every soldier, marine, airman, and sailor should realize they have not "done their time" in vain. Current or former! I received a glorious homecoming from Desert Storm and I have vowed to thank every vet anyway I can.
The work that the PGR does is commendable and don't let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us. There are far too many of us that believe the same as you. That is obvious from the membership growth! I always check the website for current info and events happening in and around my area that I might be able to attend.
I have decided not to even go to the FPR website because I don't want them to even think they are getting interest. I believe they are the same as all the organizations that would oppose us.
Remember why we are here and keep the faith. You are doing a great job, as with all our state captains, and without all of you we would not be able to honor our veterans!
Thank you from Ohio.
Fang
I have always been so PROUD of our Veterans and was honored that I could be included in riding in my cage to missions with all of you. My first mission was in Galesburg Il for Tharp to honor this Fallen soldier. Then in Floris Ia for an 89 yr old WWII LIVING Veteran that the town chose to honor and welcomed us to join. We all got a living history lesson on that one that I won't soon forget. Last Saturday, Sept. 16th, I spent my birthday at the 'POW/MIA Recognition Ceremony' on the Rock Island Arsenal looking out at all of your faces lining the sides of the aisles of people an felt such pride at what you have accomplished. A gift I couldn't have asked for from anyone. Such tremendously different missions but so similiar in their concept of honoring our Veterans. Why would anyone doubt what the PGR is all about.
Keep up the good work ladies and gentlemen and I will stand proudly by your side along the way.
Semper Fi,
Annette J. Wood
proud Daughter of a USMC Korean War Veteran
Jeff, by accepting the resignation of those in Florida, you have done a great service to this organization.
Let's assume the leadership of the mission in question had taken the same tack as those who resigned and had told the Hell's Angels they couldn't ride with PGR. Then, let's assume that the Hell's Angels had told him to basically pound sand (they tend to do that when someone tells them what to do, but not always so nicely), and based on their displeasure of riding with members of the Hell's Angels, removed the PGR from the funeral in protest...
If those who resigned had their way and only rode with those they think are clean-cut, law-abiding Bikers, they would not make a single ride and the Hell's Angels would be left to honor America's Dead by themselves.
I applaud the Hell's Angels and anyone else who has the fortitude to stand up for American Fallen Heroes, past and present. I resent those who think that only a KIA deserves the honor and recognition of this nation upon their passing. I will never wear colours, but I'll tell you one thing, I'll ride with anyone who respects me by returning the respect I give them.
Those who resigned are not bikers, they're motorcyclists who don't have a clue about what it takes to wear colours or be in an MC. Besides all that, I hope the lawyers of the Hell's Angels sues the sh** out of them for their slanderous remarks...
Steve "Scout" Cole
Centex RC & CC
American
Biker
Jeff,
We've never met and probably won't but I have the utmost respect for you and all PGR members. My first mission was for Dominick Sacco in Topeka, KS last December. His wife came through and shook hands and hugged alot of people. I was one of those people. I could see the grief and pain in her eyes but when she told me thanks for being there I knew that would not be my last mission. Keep up the good work. Your brother always.
Harpo
Jeff:
After 36 years, I am still on Active Duty, but consider it an privilege to serve with the PGR, to acknowledge and honor those who served before me, are serving now, and will serve in the future
I, too, will have to be drug "kicking and screaming" away from the PGR and its mission. The group you have, with the charter it has, cannot afford to be fragmented. Our mission philosophy cannot be tailored by state, internal politics or sub-group. If it does, our credibility dies. The actions of one group, accidentally or otherwise, immediately affect the entire organization. It's the "bad apple" theory. To date, all the feedback from families and media coverage (when they've been involved) regarding the PGR has been good. That is because of the standard you've established. Offshoot groups will not help that, since perspectives and opinions will drift from the original intent of the PGR.
So long as we adhere to the original premise established for the PGR, I know the organization will continue to grow and flourish. Let those other groups do what they want; they'll never have the reputation of the original.
Honoring those who've served, without politics is only right. I stand by the PGR now and always. When my time comes, my wife already knows to request PGR support at my Final Ceremony.
Bob "Blackhawk" Arms
Fayetteville, GA
Jeff
After over 30 years riding, The Patriot Guard Riders is the first and only group that I have ever been interested in riding with. I joined when there were less than 5000 members and have made 11 missions to date.
AS long as the Patriot Guard Riders has leaders such as yourself I will continue to be proud to known as a Patriot guard Rider.
and will continue my support to the best of my ability.
Am I better than my Brother or Sister? My God says I'm not. So who am I to say who can stand next to me to pay their respects?
I'll bet the next thing the FPR will do is have "patching" ceremonies! Then where will they be.
I'll be here standing with my Brothers and Sisters whomever they may be.
Later
Mike - a sinner saved by the Grace of God
I joined the PGR to honor ALL military hero's, no matter their age rank or service branch. I am a Viet Nam era veteran and was not welcomed home with any kindness at all. I seldom talked about my military time because of the situations presented to me when I did return home after serving. The PGR has given me new feelings about myself and the people who are citizens of these great United States.
When I joined the PGR and went on my first mission, I wasn't sure what I was getting into. The ride captain that I met at the assembly point, upon finding out that I was a Viet Nam veteran, came up to me, gave me a hug, and said "welcome home brother". He was the very first person after 40 years that did that for me. I still get wet eyed when I think that first PGR trip. Thank you Joseph if you read this.
I will always stay with the PGR and will always follow the "NEVER AGAIN" for my fellow veterans.
Jack "Bugout" AZ Ride Captain and Public Relations.
Jeff,
I have been through the dynamic growth of an organization in the past. That organization grew to 50,000+ members in just over 6 YEARS!<G> It still experienced the same issues we are just now discovering in the PGR. It is NORMAL group dynamics. Some folks will handle it with grace; some will not.
DO NOT second guess what you have done. Stay the course and be firm, fair, and consistant and you will prevail. Don't allow yourself to get into flame wars (and THAT is hard to do) on the forums. "They" are gone and would have left sooner or later regardless of anything you would have done to address their issues. Something just did not fit for them. Let it go. Ignore them.
You have done a great job for a great reason. The rapid and massive growth comes with some equally large problems-you've done well in controlling the problems. Don't look back, look forward.
Personally, the PGR has given me a new faith in the American spirit. I've been deeply touched by a geographically isolated community of 1,200, putting 5,000 people over three days on the street to honor their hometown, fallen hero.
I've been devastated by two caskets the size of a footlocker, holding the murdered children of a serving soldier.
I've been humbled by SEVERAL different parents and family members shaking the hand of every PGR member honoring their fallen child.
I've been honored to watch General Officers shake the hand of each PGR at an internment ceremony and thank them personally for attending and caring.
But most of all I've been amazed by the PGR members I've met during my 17 missions. They (we) are all cut from the same cloth. They care about what they are doing and each other. They accept the tenents of the PGR lock, stock and barrel. They freely give their time and resources and unwaiveringly step to the plate when they see a need.
These are the folks that deserve your time and attention. Not those that leave for WHAT EVER reason. It's not about who they ride with or for. It's not about politics, being a vet or even riding a motorcycle. It's not about patches. It's not about perception. It's about respect and honor for those defending our freedom-PERIOD.
God Bless you and all you have done. Lemme know what I can do to help.
Pete Croot/P8RE8
WA State Ride Captain
In this great nation of ours, at the present time we have a volunteer armed force, and at many other times in history the same was true. The veitnam era was drafted, unless you chose not to be drafted and "RELOCATED". In either case you basically CHOSE to fight for the freedom of this great country, either directly (WWI/II) or indirectly, (Korea/Veitnam). Whether you came home under your own power, were helped, or carried, you still fought or waited to fight, just like the ones who were not so lucky, hey some of us didn't even leave the country. Now just because you were lucky enough to come home alive, doesn't that mean that we as citizens don't still owe a debt to you. We all enlisted one way or another. Some of us paid the ultimate price, some came away unscathed. We all did our duty to our country, whether it was dying in battle or standing flood watch, we all did what was asked of us. So, do we just honor the poor "unlucky" soul that was in the wrong place at the wrong time and paid for it with his/ her life, OR do we honor ALL who have been in the service of our United States. I think that if you were in the service you are a HERO, and should be treated accordingly.
I joined the PGR for a personal reason, or two or--. #1 . My son is in Iraq, and I couldn't be prouder, I wish he wouldn't have picked infantry for his MOS, but thats another story. #2. It may sound a little strange, but it makes me feel GREAT, to go on an honor mission and to know that in some small way that I may have helped some greiving family feel a tiny bit better while laying their loved one to rest, and at the same time I am honoring another great American hero. #3. You see that over seas is not the only place men and women in the service save American lives, it happens right here at home too. Just an example; The National Guard gets called up to go on flood duty. They risk their lives to save others lives and property, just like in a war some pay the price there too. There is no training to prepair you for a flash flood, but they do their job anyway.
So even if you didn't go to war and die for your country, if you were ready to fight, but didn't get deployed, EVEN if you are just a true patriot to this GREAT country of ours, I salute you. I think we ALL deserve an honored funeral but realize that's just not realistic, so we will do what we can.
National, State, and Local, You guy's and gal's are doing an AWESOME job, and a tough, time consuming one also. I salute you. Don't change a thing that you are doing. This is a great organization and it will have growing pains, no doubt about it. If the job gets too big for you to handle alone, ask. One of us PGR will step up to help.
Thanks, Dave.
I joined the PGR after reading so many letters of appreciation from family members and hearing just what the PGR does and what it meant to them. I have now been on 4 missions and have seen for myself what it has meant to the families of those fallen. Now, I find myself on the other side of the mission. My father died of pancreatic cancer a week ago. We just found out that he had the cancer 2 weeks before he died. I live in Utah and he was in California. He served in the U.S. Navy in Vietnam and retired after many years of military service. Now some amazing PGR members in California are putting together a mission for him even though he wasn't KIA. Because they feel as most of us do, that just because they weren't KIA doesn't mean they deserve any less respect, any less honor. And I know that next Monday, no matter what colors the riders are wearing and regardless of whether they are "1%ers" or not, if they are there to show respect, I will be there with a handshake and a hug and gladly call them brother. PGR is summed up in two fine words, "Honor and Respect." Everything I have seen in my experience with them has lived up to those words. I believe in all that we stand for and am here to stay. Keep up the great work Jeff and everyone else that keeps this machine running.
Gary "K'huna" Yocum
Proud PGR Member
Hi Jeff,
I've been involved in church affairs of the protestant pursuasion where a local church will "split". All meaningful people that have a difference where the two groups must separate.
I feel no ill to those that have left. that would only cause me harm. I don't dwell on what they may be saying. Any negativities mean nothing to me.
As others have said, stick with the plan. You have MANY MANY people that apparently believe in what you are doing as the numbers continue to grow.
I've never joined any bike organization that did nothing to help others. There's no point in that. I don't need to "belong" to consider myself a biker. I joined the PGR because it represents something that I truly believe as it honors the dead and renders help to families in their darkest hour.
This I wish to continue to do and I can only do it with the support and guidance of those like you.
Paul Skinner
We buried our family's hero, Capt Robert Swanson, USAF, Labor Day weekend, 1978. The image that is forever etched in my brain is, upon leaving our church, we saw four T-38 pilots, standing at attention, saluting his casket, with tears streaming down their face.
Fast forward to Jan 2006. Watching the evening news, I saw a grieving family leaving their church, after services for their hero, greeted by the most heinous signs and chants that normal people couldn't even dream of, and the anger welled up in me. Thankfully, I have been able to channel that anger, along with 50,000 others, who now will fly a flag in front of those holding signs.
What a family sees when leaving their church is what we are holding in front of us, not wearing on our backs. Let us all hope it is always red white and blue. Those are the "colors" that matter.
Hi Jeff.
Those that oppose and seek to destroy the good and righteous work done by the PGR are doing those things our real enemy wants us to do! A an enemy works from within as well as those direct assaults. They will find a crack and exploit it, they will plant a seek of discontent and help it grow, they will make statements of how our united front is not in the best interest of those we serve. I am a recipient of the good one of those old Veteran (WWII, Korea, and Vietnam ERA). When my father laid dying in a Virginia Hospital I thought of only one thing I could do to show him how much I cared for him. I asked for a ride by his hospital. It was provided by the Virginia Riders. Some even came to his room and paid respects, maybe they don't know how much this was appreciated by me and my Dad. But, now during our times of dissent and seperation, know this Jeff, when a group of individuals this large, that pursues to provide a deserved service to Veteranss and their families. Then that group the PGR will be able to weather those seeds of the storm and come through stronger and more united. God bless this group and God Bless the Veterans and familes that serve this country we call America!
Jeff,
The voices and attitudes of a dessenting few will NEVER outweigh the true PGR Majority.
Thanks to all at National
Keith Callaway
Retired Iowa State Captain
I do not know what happend nor do I care. I joined the PGR because of it"s Mission statment and for that I am prod and will be a member as long as yall will have me. I am honerd to be the Colorado Western Slope Ride Captian and will continue to give all that i can
I joined knowing full well of the mission..I believed in the mission then and more so now after attending countless missions in person. Whether its a welcome home, send off or a fallen hero mission I still believe 110% in the PGR and what it stands for. Keep up the good work. Scott Standing by in Iowa
Jeff,
I'm with you and back any decisions made by National.
J.R. Scott (Volvoman)
Well, just when you thought that we, as a nation, understood that in unity there is strength, a jealous few seek separatism.
As a citizen seeking the most efficient way to honor members of the military that I've neglected so long, I was joyful that there is a national organization I could be a part of, where my enthusiam could efficiently be directed to where it was needed the most.
The pride we gain in attending funerals and veteran events is honor shared with the proud members of our armed forces.
I thought this separate but equal thing was settled long ago, and tried to find a suitable quote from Lincoln to give us strength.
Grow strong Patriot Guard Riders. What is going on in our(!) organization is "all about us".
Standing by...
nick
I have a son who is currently serving in Iraq. After he left, I heard about this organization, studied it, and joined. Not only to honor the fallen Heroes, but to better prepare myself for the "knock" on the door. After I joined, I e-mailed my son in Iraq telling him about the PGR. He says, "I already know of them Dad, We're watching them." Everytime a mission comes around in this area, he e-mails me and asks if I'm going. Then he says, "Do it right Dad, we're counting on you." June 3rd he came home on leave, the next day he went on his first mission, had a hard time keeping him home after that he wanted to do them all in his 2 weeks time. Now that we are doing Welcome Home missions, I'm counting on the PGR to help me welcome my son and his unit back from Iraq. (mid Oct). This organization is the greatest thing to hit the US.
Been on a few missions were the 1%'s showed up, shook off their differences, stood side by side, honored, respected, made no move towards the UG's, then went their seperate ways with a nod of the head. Where else are you going to see this happen? We are not catering to them, they joined us or participated with us for the same reasons we are here.
To all who are PGR, I am proud to stand next to any one of you regardless of who or what you are, as is my son. Lets not let another group try to get us down, lets keep on doing what we think is right. The "Kids" are watching us from over there. Depending on us to do it right for them because they can't at this time. But when they get back they'll be joining in right beside us. Because they CARE.
Robert Young R/C
Standing by...
No borders
I just go by the MISSION STATEMENT !!!!!!!!
I do not do politics very well, thats why I was an enlisted man.........Over
You higher ups keep it up !!
I've tried other clubs but never stayed for long. Then the PGR came around. Now there's an organization with a PURPOSE! The PGR is where I belong. I'm active duty Navy, 15 years. It hurt when the Cole was bombed. I watched the towers fall on CNN while underway in the Med on the USS THORN. We stood ready to fight. Unfortunately the THORN didn't get a chance to launch her missiles. Joining the PGR is my chance to honor those who have paid the ultimate price, in ANY war/conflict. I respect ANYONE who would stand beside me and hold a flag in honor of America's fallen heros.
Jeff,
Thank you again for this wonderful organization. I too joined because I heard of the protestors on the news. But I stayed for a different reason. I stayed for the families.
At first I didn't think we could make a huge difference for the very close family going through such a difficult time. Boy was I wrong. We do help - everyone present.
As to the FL group's internal motivation I cannot speak. (as to the legality of their defamation, slander, and liable, you may want to investigate if it goes too far or too long. Feel free to edit that comment). What I can speak of is my feelings.
I am 27 years old, and all my grandparents are alive and aging. I sleep well at night knowing that both of my grandfathers (& other family members) will be honored as vetrans when they die, and that I will have the support of the PGR to make it through that time.
At a recent ride the brother of the honorable deceased was struggling with his potential future deployment as well as the unexpected death of his brother. We were able to give him comfort not only in his hour of distress over his brother, but in the knowledge that we could be there for him in a send-off mission if he were deployed (& welcomed home when he comes home safe). This knowledge, I believe, also helped him in the difficult time of the funeral.
Anyone who thinks the PGR is after $ doesn't understand the world. We have to prepare to protect ourselves legally against unmentionables attempting to end our mission, among other things. Providing monitary help to families is also very honorable (especially when children are left without a parent).
I am now seriously considering serving in the military (JAG) after graduation. This is because of my experience with PGR, and especially the families. If I do make this decision, I will rest well in the knowledge that no matter what happens to me or WHEN it happens to me, my family will have the loving and comforting presence and assistance of the PGR in their time of need. AND that I, as a service-person, will have your support when I leave and come home safely.
Thank you again for this organization and EVERYTHING it does. You have and continue to do the right thing. I'm with you all the way - you'll have to drag me out of this group kicking and screaming.
-svSheri
Jeff,
Until the PGR rides for me, I will be there to stand for our service members. If you do not want me. send an army and be prepared for a battle, I AM NOT LEAVING PGR. As a vet who has relatives on The Wall and was treated shamelessly on return from VietNam, I will always say NEVER AGAIN.
Do not let the detractors get you and national leadership down. I have returned to religion after a long absence and the Lord has given me a mission with PGR. The Lord has given PGR the mission and it is why we do what we do.
KEEP DOING IT.
Jeff, One more voice in support of the PGR.....all the PGR needs, to know how important they truly are, is look into the eyes of family members who stop in awe at the respect paid to there loved ones. The PGR touches the lives of those left behind. We bring a small sliver of light in a dark time. That is enough. What we do, is not for us, or for the media. It is for the Hero's and their families, and for me, it is also for all of the Veterans who were treated with disrespect in the past. NEVER FORGET...NEVER AGAIN
Bikerbabe
Mother of a Sailor
Jeff,
Last Saturday I rode in support of my 10th PGR mission in three different states. The last mission was as personnaly moving and emotional as the first. The PGR does an awesome job coordinating these events. I have seen nothing but professionalism, devotion and respect from our Ride Captains and anyone in attendance...it is not about us. Whatever we can do to support our armed forces and their families I am all for. The politics should be left aside....ride in support of the events you feel called to.
Brett Ulander
Patriot Guard Rider
Raleigh, NC
Every living organism must have a movement, religeous or riders ...
I'm really sorry to hear that some former members feel the need to build themselves up by tearing others down. The purpose of the PGR is a good one- to stand in humble respect for those who have served our country. Whether that is in the current conflict or past, a thank you is the least we can do. I have only gone on a few missions, but they have humbled me and I am touched by those who come to pay their respects, be they members of PGR or not.
Trident- proud member of the PGR
There comes a time in everyone's life when you face issues and try to find solutions to these issues and you try to persivere in the interim..The truth of the matter is that we still have the same problems as our forfathers did in trying to rattify the constitution only this issue in engulfed in freedom to choose.. The only looseres will be those that we respect and those that have departed.. As long as we perpetuate the memory of those gallant few who laid down their life for us in any manner, then we are the better..Words cannot hurt you for they are differences of an oppinion.. If the manner in which you show respect is a signature of your integrity, then your tasks and deeds are not in vain..I joined PGR because it reminded me of the past and all the fantastic heros we lost ..I still have the utmost respect for all who did there part for this great nation and if you have an agenda of your own keep it in it's context because this is a "WE" issue not a me thing..Respectfully submitted, Subsquirrel
I really believe that honoring our fallen heroes is an extremely important part of PGR's mission, but there is so much that we can do to honor those who are still with us too.
With the numbers that are in the PGR, we can accomplish a myriad of good things: Welcome home rides, special missions such as escort for The Wall, honoring vets from all wars, etc.
Keep up the good brothers and sisters.
Hoowah!
For the PGR it's not a contest, it's a mission. Ride for the troops at the request of the family. Hooah!
I took a peek at the "other" site and saw something that made my hair stand straight up and sent a bolt of ice down my spine.. a direct cut and paste from "their" site..
From: murphd Sep-17 8:22 am
To: 49GreyBeard (4 of 16)
10.4 in reply to 10.2
Man you are smart. You must be a cop our something. I think the plainer the better. If we get a 1% club member that shows up we tell him, shed the colors or leave. The PGR can't figure that out, if they had this whole thing would have not started. I am still looking forward to you coming to a Defenders meeting. We had a great time yesterday patching in Saint, Razor, Doc, and Samson. Thanks- Clayton "Ice"
This is a recipie for DISASTER...
I have only been on one mission with the PGR and in that one mission I saw that the folks there were truly committed to the American Veterans and their needs. I also saw on the South Carolina site people trying to get a loaner vehicle for a fellow comrade. I am also very active in the VFW where we "we are honoring the dead by helping the living"
I guess the best way I can say how I feel is a note my daughter sent to me after she road with me on "our" first miccion.
It was an experience I will never forget. Even reading this it is hard to hold back tears. I think I learned more on that ride realizing what true "honor" is then I have in any other situation. Thank you for getting me involved in this, I will continue to go whenever it is possible.
Love ya
These are my sentiments.
My son, Pfc. Jeffrey Shaffer was KIA last week in Ar Ramadi, Iraq. We have yet to bury my son. Jeff has joined other soldiers that were willing to give their all for this country and our freedom. My wife and I therefore belive in standing tall for Anyone who was willing to serve this great country. If by God's grace Jeff hadn't been killed in actoin, it would not have deminished his willingness to do so. He, and his fellow soldiers faced death everyday. I have not, thanks to the soldiers serving today and to those who have served before him. I fell sorry for those guys in Florida, for they have truly missed the point. Maybe they fell the don't get enough "lime-light" by standing for someone who hasn't been KIA. I wish my son hadn't been. There is no 'lime-light' in his death. But there is a huge amount of pride for what he died, and SERVED for. Proud to Stand Tall for any veteran. A soldiers Poud Father.
Dice
I'm so sorry to hear this. I pray that the trivial differences between the groups won't matter to any of us when compared to the sacrifice your family has suffered.
God be with your family as your son is with God.
We all make choices which will always affect others. Lets not let someone else's choices turn us from our path.
Again I'm truly sorry about your son. I'm sure he, like the young man's Memorial service I attended last night, was a Proud serviceman who put his duty before himself.
Later
Mike
NOT perfect... NOT caring to be...NOT thinking I ever WILL be...but PROUD to support the mission statement~
HUGS,
~ALWAYS.
T
I have seen issue's that have caused groups to split up. Maybe it is an issue that you can't put your finger on and better handled that way. Old friends with a common goal will end up in the same corner again.
My issue , and tell me to shut up if I'm sturring the bucket or this has been covered. They should start with a "Completely Different Name". If you have an issue that you cannot deal with, be Rebelious Leader's enough to pick your own name. Use some imagination and make a clean break.
Jeff, I have not kept up with the dramas involved, but I want to say that the one thing that I love most about the PGR is that I have stood at a soldier's funeral side by side with people from all walks of life and with very different backgrounds -- people who probably wouldn't have a thing to do with each other in regular life -- but we stand united and strong, honoring fallen warriors. Thank you for all the work you've done to make this possible. Being able to stand face to face with the families of these heroes and thank them is one of the greatest honors I have had. All your hard work has made that possible.
Keep up the good work and God bless!
I think this is a joke. There has been so much negative talk about the leadership of the PGR at all levels. For what? The truth of the matter is that if the entire PGR leadership dropped dead tomorrow it would have no outcome on the mission. The core of the PGR is not the leadership, it is the stregnth and passion of the members and the overwhelming importance of the mission. Keep on bashing us... It only makes me stronger, John
Is the PGR perfect. Nope. Sometimes I think a few in leardership positions would do well to remember we are all volunteers... that this isn't the military. That said, I still can't think of a finer organization that I have ever been with.
I'm not going to go into details, but I know what we (PGR) mean to these families. I've shared hugs and tears and looks and moments of silence with them. I've heard the words you see in the the letters. I'll be there when and where I can. What we do is too important to let other things get in the way.
On top of that, the PGR has helped me heal some too, and I didn't even know I needed healing.
Thanks Jeff for getting it started and keeping it rolling. More important though is thanks to each and every PGR member. Without the individuals, the PGR would be just another good idea.
Enough! Jeff, you and the others in leadership positions do what you need to do. I'm going to hold that flag and shed some tears and hugs with some families.
Jeff,
You don't deserve this controversy going on with the Florida group. They need to follow in your shoes and get to know all the things you do that they just don't quite get, not to mention all the work you and yours have done to get this organization off the ground.You have taken on a really big job running this organization and there will always be controversy within its members. Hold your head up high and feel all the love and respect you have earned from all the rest of us .
I followed you in Sturgis and now know what your job entails, and anyone who has given his life on this earth for others who have died, deserves a round of applause and a word of gratitude. Best of Luck to you SHARRY from MN
to all the leadership you have done a fine job. as a vet and member thank you for your work i will stand tall with any that will stand
Brian
The defenders of our country come from all walks of life, why should'nt those who honor them. It's not whats on your back, it's whats in your heart.
DXTRIDER (sorry forgot to log in)
Jeff,
I am proud to be associated with this organization and stand shoulder to shoulder with you and other brothers and sisters of the PGR.
Robert L. Flores
Captain, US Army
Burn Center
Brooke Army Medical Center
Fort Sam Houston, Texas
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL
Jeff,
Thank you for all you do and for what you said.
I stand behind this PGR 100% . I proudly rode the texas leg of FLAGBABE and have done a total of 5 missions since signing on, I for one have no problems with the way things are done. Keep up the good work, if I can EVER do anything to help, feel free to contact me,,
Grinch
AKA dave griminger
During a recent pre-mission briefing in Charlotte NC, I heard someone remind the group that each person present was responsible for their own ride and to keep in mind the purpose that we had gathered for. If some folks need to ride another way then to them I say, "peace out". I hope that those of us who stay will keep our focus on our ride, our reasons for being participating in each mission, and ignore the temptation to be distracted by politics.
To often in our country we send warriors into battle after our politicians fail us and then instead of letting the warriors do the job we trained them to do, we tie their hands by politicking them into chaos. Politics and egos be damned!! The families of those who die protecting our freedom need us to keep our eye on the ball.
Thats my 2 cents for what it's worth,
Gerald
ISA6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"
Always someone who coulda shoulda woulda done it different...after you've got it done. Good job. I'm with you. I will be there when and where I can. The tears have flowed, the heart has been moved and the resolve to carry on gets stronger every day.
signed: themasterchief
Just keep your eye on the goal. The Marines have your back.
Semper Fi
Have ridden with PGR from several states. Have ridden with 1%s. Have ridden with RUB. We're all just folks. Will stand tall with any that honor our hearoes.
Just keep your eye on the mission. The Marines have your back.
Semper Fi
The CrocDoc
I just returned from a Welcome Home mission with our brother PGR in Wisconsin. The words spoken by their General thanking us for our continuing support, both for their fallen brothers, and for their homecoming brought tears to my eyes. When returning soldiers took a moment from hugging their loved ones to shake our hands, when a mother took a moment from welcoming her son to thank us, when a soldier brought his wife and child over to thank us, their can't be any question that we are doing the right thing.
Proud to Ride with Respect as a Patriot Guard Rider
Michael Maloney
Minnesota
Just one more reason added to the already lenghty list of excellent reasons of why to avoid the extremely over-rated charms of Florida, IMHO.
Proud to ride with the PGR,
Dangerous Dave
Tulsa, ok
Twister et al, I guess when you live in a country that allows freedom of thought, speech, etc., once in a while those freedoms will be exercised without the experience required to make logical and smart decisions. I'm sorry to put the FPR or FPG (or whatever the #### they call themselves this week) into the same category as the UG's and Cindy Sheehans of this world, but that's just where they've managed to put themselves. You'll always have a misguided few in an organization this size, especially one that's grown at such a phenominal rate this past year.
After seeing two large missions handled simultaneously in Texas yesterday, I believe that with the strength and dedication of our members, and the professionalism of our leaders, we can accomplish anything. Yes, there were Texans at both missions, but we weren't there as the "Lone Star Patriots" or the "Remember the Alamo Riders". We were all Patriot Guard Riders and damn proud of it. That's all I have to say.
Streaker
Jeff,
I have found nothing in this life that is perfect, I have found nothing that I totally agree with except in Jesus as Lord and Savior, Yet for what the PGR stands for, the original mission statement, and the evolution of service the PGR has extended itself to, I can only say, if more people, churches, or this government, cared about AMERICA as much as the Patriot Guard Riders I have ridden with did, then we would be much better off as a society. I will Ride as a Patriot Guard Rider until I can no more
Johnny (D2) Duran
Houston area ride captain
Jeff and ALL my PGR Brothers and Sisters,
Since I joined the PGR early this year, I have been on and been Ride Captain for a good number of missions. There have been Legion Riders, Run For the Wall Riders, VVA M/C , Leather Neck M/C , In Country Vets and even some guys from 1% clubs on my missions....but we were not there representing our individual clubs / organizations...we were there as PATRIOT GUARD RIDERS. I was proud to Stand Tall with each and every one of them...no matter what colors they were wearing... and I still am and will continue to be proud to stand with each of them in the future. The FPR or whatever they have deemed to call themselves have put themselves in a category that is unto itself with the likes of the UG's and other undesireables . They have the right to go their seperate ways, but to slam the PGR.....doesn't sit well with me.
I am and will continue to Stand Tall...Stand Silent and HONOR any and all for whom we are called to ride a Mission.
I am and will be ,until there is no more PGR or I am called home kicking and fussing all the way, a PATRIOT GUARD RIDER.
Master Chief
San Antonio / South Texas Ride Captain
Jeff,
I agree 100% with your words and stand with you. Though I have never been a rider, I am forever thankful that both you and Waldo made this organization open to everyone.
In the just over 6 months that I have been a member, I have had the honor of attending 23 missions; services for KIAs and retirees/veterans, welcome homes and sendoffs, and one very special mission here in Colorado Springs for Air Force Major Burke Morgan, who was laid to rest next to his wife at the Air For Academy cemetery after almost 39 years as an MIA in Laos.
One of the best things I see in the PGR, as an Air Force vet who enlisted just after the Vietnam War ended, is seeing my Vietnam veteran brothers and sisters at a mission. I am 100% convinced that with each and every mission they attend, the scars they have carried with them for over 30 years slowly heal. I am proud to be able to not only help the families we support, but my PGR brothers and sisters who never received the proper welcome home and respect they deserved.
Do I see all of the other facets of the PGR (visits to hospitals/veterans homes, Help on the Homefront, etc.) as diluting the oroginal purpose for which this organization was founded? Not in any way. It is just an organization, formed to provide support to those families of KIAs in need branching out and growing into new avenues of support for all who have served.
I would never want to see the PGR doing anything less than what we do today.
Robin Thurston
MSgt, USAF (ret)
1996_retired_E7
Jeff, I am thankful for what you do. You are an Honorable man and I felt very honored to have met and shaken your hand. I stand by the Mission, to give honor and respect. I will stand with others who are of like hearts and minds. The ones that are not will sooner or later fall by the wayside and show truly who they are...I'm like a child who watches what you do rather then listen to what people are saying.....Honorable men act " Honorably"... Kai
Yesterday at an event for Gold Star Mothers, one of the speakers mentioned Patriot Guard Riders. At that point the entire audience stood and applauded. It was truly humbling. Jeff, they applauded your efforts.
Indebted,
Scoot
Jeff,
I, too, am saddened by the split that has occured. I believe as the PGR does...all veterans are heros and deserve to be honored as such!
While providing Honor Guard duty to those heroes who have fallen remains the primary function of the PGR, those who have returned home, whole or injured, from ANY conflict, from any time, also deserve to be honored. They, too, have served, sacrificed and put everything they had on the line.
Keep the "Guard" as it is, and show respect and gratitude to every veteran who has answered the call!
Ride Safe,
Il Mago
US Military Vets Motorcycle Club
North Dakota Chapter #1
Hey Jeff,
I've only been with the Guard a couple of mos. so this controversy in FL is new to me. I've only been able to make one mission due to work constraints. It was a really short notice(less than 24 hrs.), yet 5 bikes showed up, and I drove 2 hrs. on my day off to be there in my (S-10) "cage to honor a WW2 vet. As it turned out 2 riders had to leave due to another honor mission they had already commited themselves to. Am I to believe these people think this man wasn't worthy of the showing we gave? Or that my showing up in a "cage", proudly flying 2 large flags in his honor, should not be allowed?
My father was a WW2 vet also. He died on the same day as I flew in from Bahrain in 1978 after along battle with cancer. Had the PGR been around then, I would have surely welcomed them at his funeral. I forgot my winter dress blues (Navy), and had to wear my summer whites in 38 degree weather, but I was honored to be there to honor him as well, and even though I was freezing, I stayed to be the last one to salute him.
To me that's what the PGR is all about---HONOR!!! I guess some people forget that.
Kerry in Greenfield,MA---Tincanbos'n
Sounds as if fl is visiting Topeka, ks westboro. have not been able to physically make any rides but make them all in spirit. personally do not care what group you belong to, especially at my funeral sometime in the faarrrrr distant future. all i ask is that you be there to show honor and comfort to my family. Blue Fox retired army and former leo
just visited fl website briefly. perhaps they should keep in mind their forum rules and apply them to their own site when talking about others. Jeff, Twister and other in charge, may not agree always with your decisions but then again i still have a problem with authority LOL. anyway keep up the good work it is never easy. Blue Fox
When I go to a restaurant, I don't eat everything on the menu. I choose what I want. If someone is there whom I don't like, I don't leave. I have the freedom to eat what I want and ignore the one's I don't want to associate. Simple concept that works pretty well. Seems like PGR is pretty much like a restaurant. Too bad the folks from fpr don't understand it.
I gotta believe this was due to someone's desire for "power"--not dissatisfaction with PGR.
Tommy Watson
As a 'Gold Star' dad and charter member of the Western Iowa ALR, we were riding 'missions' before there was a PGR. We saw a need and was filling it even before the wbc started making their ripples in time.
I say "Keep up the good work!"
I just have to say that the PGR have done nothing to warrent any type of attack. I have gone on some rides and escorted some while in uniform and as long as i can ride i will ride with you Thank you for everthing that you do.
Jeff, I salute you and the work that the PGR staff at ALL levels do. I, as well as many others that have posted, do not have the time, energy or patience for politics. The single thing that unites us is the nobleness of the PGR mission. Let FPG demonstrate their narrowmindedness by not doing the other missions. It's their loss. I've done both funeral missions and welcome home missions and I'll be the first one that say that every type of mission has its emotional moments. We signed for the good tears as well as the bad.
Riding with PGR until PGR rides for me....
Ken, aka IEDwacker
It shames me to see this figurative bloodletting amongst ourselves. "Leaders" from the National and State organizations should maybe remember our history... not the history of PGR but the history of our country... the Civil War... the Union vs. the secessionist Confederate States. Now we have our own variation of the Civil War going on amongst people sworn to honor and respect our fallen heroes.
What are you people thinking about? This is about our dead soldiers. Nothing more and nothing less. It isn't about power... who rules and makes rules. It isn't about money... this enterprise is not for profit. It isn't about bikes vs cages or any of the other tangential "issues".
This is about Mary Sovie and thousands of other mothers who have to face the horror of burying their child who heroically died for you, me, and our children. We owe these mothers and families... we owe these brave soldiers. They need us and we are fighting amongst ourselves over trivialities in the face of young people givng up their lives so that we can do this stuff in freedom.
Every single person who has had ANYTHING to do with this catastrophe should be ashamed of themselves and rethink the purposes for which we are all here... rethink our own personal motivations. NOTHING matters but these soldiers, their families, and their communities. Honor and Respect are the only things that have any POWER here. The rest is just shameful nonsense.
That's my $.02 for whatever it's worth.
Bree
Buffalo, NY
Patriot Guard Rider
I had no idea of all the "problems" going on. I joined the PGR to honor ALL our servicemen and women regardless of the branch of service or the war/conflict they were active military during. I am her til you do an honor mission for me and I am standing at the pearly gates telling St Peter I am home and the PGR is taking my watch. GOD Bless you All...
I joined PGR a few months ago and have been at three missions...I always come back to my wife a whole lot more humble...At our last mission I told my wife before I left that it would get easier....It did not....These kids are giving a whole lot more than me.....I have seen comments about the PGR but no name signed....I am not ashamed of my name or the PGR......God bless our beautiful country and those that serve her.....
Any organization has growing pains and needs to grow to fulfill needs. The PGR is a wonderful organization and obviously there are a lot of needs that it can fulfill. Attending funerals as invited guests may have been the original mission of this organization, but then there too is the need to welcome our soldiers home, visit the wounded, honor those veterans who have served in other conflicts and help support those who are serving our great country over seas. I think it is fantastic that we have a variety of ways in which our members can help veterans. Anyone can choose to be as active as they wish. I am glad that the scope of things that we in the PGR do consists of such a great variety. The leadership of the PGR and its members are doing a fantastic job in fulfilling the needs of all of our veterans and soldiers. Keep up the great work!
I have been a member in Michigan since April of this year. I am a Veit Nam era veteran and both my sons are in the service. I am proud to be a member of the PGR.
About a month ago I put the PGR "colors" on my vest. Every time I wear my vest while riding, I get comments from the public; everything from thanks to what is the PGR.
If 1%ers want to honor the fallen heroes and abide by the PGR Mission statement more power to them. Most of the "bikers" that I know are veterans as well.
As always; standing by in Walled Lake.
Chickasaw Ric
i hope every body is having a good day when i did my time in the NAVY i was in the blue water navy had good times and bad times and loved it all i had some americans turn ther backes on me and so on i did not like that to much i dont put to much fatich some people and what thay said are soldjiers need better respect than i got my hart is for the patriot guard riders we should all be one think you casper
Jeff thank YOU for the PGR!!! Keep up the good work.
Thank YOU for allowing this "cager" with no militiary experince to find a place to SERVE!!
Thank YOU for all you have done.
I will gladly stand shoulder to shoulder to any one who wants to show honor and respect to OUR HEROES..........PAST< PRESENT< FUTURE.
ok..i dont know if posting a hug is appropriate here but I feel like I should!....(((((((((((((((JEFF)))))))))))).
it is sad when people feel like they need to be the center of atttetion instead shifting that attention back to the wonderful men and women of the US Military (KIA or otherwise!).
Jeff I know the TRUTH will prevail in this situation...and I will be praying for the leadership of the PGR that God will give you guys the wisdom on how to deal with all the adversity you guys go through.
Thanks for giving this gal the platform to show the world how proud I am of our armed forces and how thankful I am that they are serving!!!
Keep up the GREAT work!!!!
A proud and very grateful PATRIOT GUARD RIDER!!!!!!
Kelly D <>< :)
PGR--we are doing the right thing. I am new to this organization but I see it beyond an organization, I see it as a movement in American
history. Our goals are clear: We are a group of
compassionate people who extend this compassion to families who have lost loved one. We are on the right track, we will stick together
as brothers & sisters of a great Nation & continue to show compassion, which I see as the basis of this great organization. Thank, You. Bosky in
St. Joseph, MO God Bless.
It can be upsetting when this happens, but sometimes it can be for the better. Being active duty stationed in Europe, I appreciate everything you all are doing on the homefront, and I look forward to when I can return to the states and do my part to honor those who gave all. Thank you again from the bottom of my heart!!!
iam here forever then my sons will carry it on.pgr is the best . we all have respect .thank you tom janik
God Bless PGR. We have a mission this Saturday. I will be there and for any other mission supporing the familys and PGR.
Jeff,We stand by you and believe in you !
God Bless you and all you do for ALL Veterans
Sweathog
Standing by
I stand by the PGR and what it represents wholeheartedly. EVERY member of the military deserves to be honored for their service and sacrifice. ANYONE who wants to join in this show of respect with pure intentions should be allowed to join and ANYTHING we can do to help military members and their families should be done. How very self-centered and narrow-minded to “pick & choose.” Only God has the right to cast judgment.
Twister: The In Country Vets MC, comprised solely of members of the Armed Forces who earned the Vietnam Service Ribbon, with chapters from coast to coast and border to border, stands firm in their commitment to the ideals and mission of the Patriot Guard Riders.
ICV Animal
National President, ICVMC
Proud Patriot Guard Rider
I think you have taken "the high road " on this & as long as the PGR mission remains strong & constant it will prevail against all who try to copy or use a similar format to fool or trick people into a joining a copycat organization .
Kenny Zitzman
Jeff, & All
I'm truly saddened also. As a PGR member who only resigned my title as a Ride Captain in the state of Florida I cringe when I read the comments in the forums and here on the home page. I somehow expected an end to this entire fiasco but until it's removed from the home page, it will just fester.
Somehow ALL have been negatively labeled unjustly. Unless the posters actually knew what took place here, in my opinion you have nothing to comment on. Most never even looked at the big picture. But surely had a lot to ramble about.
Let me hit on a couple of items. "Missions for everyone", in NW Florida which in itself is one large military base due to Eglin AFB, Herbert & Duke fields, The Navy station and various commands. The population is mainly active duty or retired personal. From sunrise to sunset Barancas national cemetery in Pensacola conducts one service after the other or roughly 20 burials per day. This is one cemetery, now multiply this by the number of cemeteries within 400 miles. Now you might begin to get the idea that maybe a few requested missions might go undone. Something none of the RC's here in Florida ever wanted to occur. Remember Florida is also a retirement community. So we mentioned the priority should remain the initial mission of the PGR. being the KIA and Active Duty with everyone else on a case by case basis but with the goal of getting those also accomplished with dignity. We ALL get slam dunked by the peanut gallery.
The issue of the 1% arose. Some were dead fast against them. But not all. Some worried about the negative outcome to the PGR's reputation, if others confronted the protesters during a mission. Some had no input. Many if not most of the Florida PGR were already members of other veterans/civic organizations who already conducted charity rides, visited nursing homes, VA hospitals, etc. But we ALL get slam dunked by the peanut gallery.
Lastly mention was made of e-mails sent to PGR members. Anyone in the PGR that received any negative comments from my e-mail can come forward. Although my address book continues to hold the e-mail address of NW Florida members no mail was ever sent on these issues. They were and will be used only for a pending/confirmed mission. But we ALL get slam dunked by the peanut gallery. I don't condone any negative outburst from either side. We were and continue to be patriots. Let this fade away. it's well over due.
I don't own a bike and have never been on a PGR ride. But the picture of the riders that was taken as they rode in my nephews funeral, PFC Chase Edwards, USMC of Lake Charles, LA is the background on my computer screen. Every day when I fire up that laptop, I feel an overwhleming gratitude for the tremendous show of support they gave my nephew and our family. I would be so honored if one day they were in attendance at my fathers funeral. He is a WWII and Korea Navy Veteran. He was so moved by the riders at the funeral. Keep up the good work and I keep you all in my prayers.
"Case by case bases"
Nothing wrong with that.
"IF the 1% confronts UG"
Well, there is a good attiude
Multipal times calling us "peanut gallery"
Even a better attiude
ummmm... creditbility?
Bryan.
wow, what a shame, I am new to the PGR with only 2 missions but have seen nothing wrong in the way it is being run. I am a female veteran, no husband, in a cage, no alliance to any biker group and you did not exclude me. I have felt nothing but welcomed. My son is in Iraq and the PGR has been the best therapy I could have. By the way WHAT IS A 1%?
ok went on the florida patroit guard saw nothing nasty it looked a little like they could not afford a website but other than that nothing ugly. They had a point had to pick their battles. So let it go. I have had to pick my battles, had to say only can go on missions that are one day 3 hours from home, running out of vacation days, nothing wrong with that, talked to a lot of PGR,S in the same boat. It doen't mean we are any less Patroits or less dedicated it just means we still need to feed our children and pay our bills, Not all PGR's are self employed or retired. Some of them ar like me and that to go on a mission means that the money has to come from somewhere, maybe we brownbag it for a week or two or find it somewhere else, ....Freedom is not free...so you guys quit fighting, we don't care. we are just out there supporting our heros. don't really give a damn what flag you are flying, I am flying the American one....You know with the 50 stars....
You guys pick a corner, fight it out and leave us to hell out of it. Tell me where to go and where to stand and I will be cooll
I would stand proud for ALL veterans of yeasterday, today and tomorrow. You guys in Florida have not met me! I am a veteran, my son is a veteran, my father is a veteran, and so was my grandfather, but all that really doesn't give the reason why I am a Patriot Guar Rider. Break down my call sign and that will tell you why I ride. I am not only an AMERICAN, I am an Amerbadas. Spell it out!
When I joined the PGR early this year there were only about 15000 members. The PGR missiion has NOT changed nor has my reason for joining. I have never been compelled to attend any mission, but have been welcomed on the ones I have. I do however, wish I had more time to participate in more missions, but work schedule does not always allow it. I do feel a kindred with all veterans in that we share the same love for this country and the freedoms we enjoy. I will continue to ride the missions I can and send my prayers and heartfelt thanks to ALL those who have given of themselves to protect the ideals we as americans have enjoyed in the past, present, and will continue to enjoy in the future. Thank you PGR for allowing me to be a small part of this show of respect.
Harvey
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT, " I WOULD NEVER JOIN A ORGINASATION THAT WOULD HAVE ME FOR A MEMBER" AFTER 38 YEARS I FOUND A REASON TO ABANDON THAT IDEA. THE PGR'S NUMBER 1 RULE RESPECT.
HERE'S TO US, AND THOSE LIKE US
TO DAMN FEW OF EM
CINCO CA. PGR
With all these posts Jeff-You should be feeling much better! THE PGR is NUMBER ONE! all others are just imitation....they can stand beside us at the missions they choose & we will stand in honor at the Missions we want & that includes ANY AMERICAN HERO-PAST- PRESENT & FUTURE-whether they be Military-Fire Dept.- Police Dept. Highway Patrol-EMTS! In my eyes they are all HEROES!
GOD BLESS the Leaders of Patriot Guard Riders! I pray that the other organizations will come to understand that a Nation that Stands together Stays together & that is what I feel PGR is trying to accomplish. Look at our membership-it seems to be working.
I joined the PR to honor those men and women who choose to this serve this great Nation. I learned of PR thru another member of my motorcycle group and believe me we all share the views of PR and not those, thank God, of the FPR. I bear in mind though, that I served as well 20+ years in the USMC so that peeps like those in the FPR have the right to their own idea's and beliefs.(I just don't share them)
Starlite65
GySgtUSMCRet
I attended my first mission Tue 26 Sept of Cpl Cain of Jennings, LA was I was so moved to serve, I know I will never forget the experience till I leave this earth. You folks are doing a sacred duty and all I say is Godspeed; onward and upward in our task.
Jeff~ Zephyr/Bluepony here.
I've read nearly all of these posts ....and see unwavering support for PGR and all it stands for. Most people who are out of state do not realize that decisions WERE made with the old leadership that was not part of National PGR belief. IT caused so much turmoil within the state membership. Ego syndromes took over and what made "us", PGR great became something else to them. I feel it sad that people who "think" they know all that has happened, do not. But many make decisions based on "hear-say", not facts. I've seen some strange things happen in this old State led group and never understood. I wasn't in a position to do any thing except fall back and not ride with these old "leaders". Thanks goodness THAT didn't last long! Thank good ness they left! Good things DO happen when you "let go".
PGR grew out of '"what was and is right". Over time, PGR has seen MORE "right" and has blazed new trails to these ends as well. WE all see the growth, we all experience the happinesses by instilling what IS right upon the heroes and their families. Our heart speak the truth, it's the brain that does not listen. The brain seeks it's own truth and it is not soul driven. We are born knowing what is right, what is good. All of us know this no matter to which "group" we belong. Other "agendas" make each group individual in nature. THIS, dear ones, IS one of our freedoms. Let not freedom make us sad. All things take care of themselves in time....for good happens..even from bad...
Jeff, keep flying...keep PGR dear in YOUR heart as each true member does too. Each one of us heals from a mission in some form, each one of us feels the same...we do it all because it IS right.
PROUD as EVER to be a forming (one of 5) MEMBER of the PGR in FLORIDA!
Jeff,
Riding give me freedom, PGR give freedom to honor those who gave me freedom to do so. Thats why America is Great,the soldier no matter what ERA ( world WW1. WWII,Korean .Vietnam, Gulf war, 911,Iraq.Agfaghistan,local police,fire fighter. or any body that will protect that freedom. Police,fire fighter,soldier deserved a kind of respect and their family need protection for people who will try to disrespect that serviced to this great nation. I'am with you all the way. Jeff focus of what your doing, your doing one hell of a great job.....
romecay PGR rider
U.S. AIR FORCE 74-94
Midwest City,OKlahoma
SEMPER FIDELIS. And thats all I have to say about this. GOD BLESS.
Jeff as I scrolled through all the responses I feel there is not much left to say except DOTTO from a 23 year Army vet with a tour of Iraq under my belt. I am not a supporter of some clubs but still welcome them in paying tribute to these desrving American Heros. I guess the FPR does not feel necessary to thank all who protect their freedom of speech only those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. I feel that I am more of a veteran than most and qualified to make these coments and salute all veterans and emergency workers regardless of their service! OOps I guess ditto was not enough.
SFC Jesse J. Mercure
US Army 83-07
Proud PGR Member
Darlington PA
Thanks for the freedom to chose in the PGR
what I think believe and do.
Light stirs up darkness.
Twister I stand with you & the PGR.
Dwayne "Frenchie" Broussard
I don't always agree with the national organization desicions, but overall I am pleased with thier efforts. Now and then when I think things through I find myself more often than not agreeing with national. I will continue to support the national organization.
no hero,,,just a disabeled vet...from the vetnam era you remember in the eraly 70s and back some.-5yrs activ 2yrs in the navel hospital in washington.just want you all to know i suporrt and ride with all PGR from what ever conflict you /thay served.
i ride with independat rider.club members.patch holders and soon on .becaus we choos to ride
to honer our fallen brothers.from any conflict past or present...and i thank ya'll
I breifly visited the FL site, didn't see anything negitive about the people here... unless posting the truth about origin is considered negitive. I realize that it may be since censoring of that truth has been going on for some time now along with revisionism and a degree of brain-washing/conditioning of new members as to what Nat'l now wants people to believe.
Maybe the folks in FL got tired of the lies and revisionisim.
Censorship of the truth, lies, revisionism, brainwashing!! Good God man, put the Webster Tarpley books down!! I've been to the FR site too and it speaks volumes about their true motives. In particular the picture of the three RC with the Gov, the Honorable Jeb Bush, under which the comment said, WE were specially invited for what WE did as individuals and not because of any group we belong to. Yet there they all stand, proud as peacocks, with the Patriot Guard t-shirts and their Patriot Guard RC hats. So I guess we are to believe they called each other that morning and said, "watcha wearin?" so they could all wear the same matching outfits? Seems they forgot the part that it's not about US. Apparently, for them it is. Careful, keep patting yourselves on the back so much and your arms will be too tired to ride. It was no coincidence they all resigned the same day. They did it to cause the maximum amount of disruption in the state. They left the entire state and all it's veterans, LEOs, fireman and everyone else that serves and protects hanging because they wanted it to be about them. You can wrap dirt up in pretty box, but it is still dirt. Im not SAD their gone, I'm GLAD. Twister, you have my undying respect and support.
I support the Patriot Guard Riders and the Mission 100%. I don't always agree with everything, but I take pride in what we do. It's an honor.
Respect & Honor,
David Lema - Rhode Island-
Ride Captain
I am sadden as well. The mission for the rides should NEVER about who is riding but why we ride. I do believe that ALL that have worn the uniform for the USA should be given the same honor to the ones that are in the military right now.
I'm surprised no one has directed Sgt Doc and others to Jeff's "not to stir the pot" thread on the Florida forum, where they may find that 1) web site pages can be easily changed, and 2) Once an email goes out it may show up again for all to see.
Neither of the last two missions we were on were for KIA's. One was for a reservist killed in a car accident, and the other for a 108 year old female WW2 veteran. It was a humbling honor to represent the PGR at both of them.
I'm sorry to read that the FPR does not see fit to honor our nations veterans. Regardless of whether they served last year or the last decade ago, the fact is they served our country and deserve the same honor and respect we show to the fallen heros of the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will continue to attend as many missions as we possbibly can. These missions will include funerals as well as welcome home and deployment rides. We will be proud PGR members forever and as such will honor every military member, past and present.
After much thought about all this - break a way - agendas, we of the Ghost Rider Assoc.- individual riders and drivers whose sole purpose is to be a living memorial to those who gave all - affirm our support and participation with the Patriot Guard Riders. As our group also grows, so shall the PGR. and we will stand at the ready for when the bell tolls. James Bailey (co-founder Ghost Rider Assoc ) Phantom26 (PGR) jtb5187@hotmail.com God bless all of you, and thank you for the privilage. see ya on the road.
I am new to the PGR and sorry to hear some have seen fit to cause problems for a so right orgainzation. It only takes a few that see it "their way or no way", to try and spoil this wonderful group. It happens all the time, but it won't happen here. The FPR lost sight of what this organization was all about. They will not last, I guarantee. Like another person said before "we should thank each and every one of our sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, uncles, brother, sisters, etc. that has served in any war or on the home front." We should be welcoming all those returning home too. The PGR is needed and very much welcomed by the service men and women and the families of the fallen. My hats off to each and everyone of the PGR, you are also hero's for many a family. My thoughts are, if you can show Respect and honor the code listed by the PGR, then you can honor our men and women.
God Bless the PGR Members, Always!
And for my father Semper Fi!
Jeff,
First,Thank you brother for all you have done for so many lives. Wonder how many of us have been changed by the experience, have found something inside that we thought was lost. That's not even counting the impact we have made on so many people suffering the lost of a loved one,or the soldiers that we give a chance to see that people DO care.
I stopped by a house once with some other PGR members because we noticed a "Welcome home American hero" sign covering their garage door. We thanks the soldier for his service and talked with him for a while.
How many times in history has a small group be able to truly change the face of this nation. I believe the founders of the PGR have done exactly that.
I don't understand how anyone could have issue with this group ? Is it not agreeing with our rules and regs ...OH? that's right we dont have any. I mean all our by-laws can be reduced to one work respect! Everything else we do is voluntary,so if you have an issue with welcome home missions,don't attend,if you don't like the PGR back patch don't wear it.We choose the manner of showing respect that each of us feel comfortable with.
Anyway as long as there's a PGR and you guys don't kick me to the curb I'll be around.
God Bless
possek
Jeff , A good friend of mine , from the state of Texas , northeast ,Tx . told me about the PGR org. I had found the web site , read over the cover letter , browies over the many missions ,Letters of Appreciation , Forums , and so much more . That I jioned the PGR that day. That next week their was a mission ,for a KIA . A young HERO , in Winter Haven ,Fl. This was my first mission and it was a great honor to be their ,to show respect , for this great HERO . Many of tears ran down my face that day . I meet so many new people that day , with the same feeling that I had . After that mission I had order items from the PGR store . Proud to be an American , Proud to be a Vet, Proud to be a PGR member. Thank you Jeff and all that had form this great OGR.
Jeff,
I've been a member of PGR for some time, and since I travel in the summer, I get to ride in various areas. I think you will find that like most groups, the problem is not the 50,000+ people who volunteer their time to honor our veterans. I, like many, am one of those folks that shows up, carries the flag and leaves. In "my experience" I believe you will find the problems probably started with a few of your ride captains down there and things got blown out of proportion. Look, I have NEVER seen our area ride Captain on a mission. I''m sure he's made one I missed, but I ride with a guy who has made I believe 8 missions this year, and we travel far and wide for these. I also thhink it's interesting to watch the red hats, not all, sitting on their asses and running around socialising, while we are standing in line for hours on end. I have never seen a red hat take the time to check the troops to see how they are doing or if they need anything. It seems to me, that the guys that aspire to these positions; some, not all; may not have the veterans first in their hearts, and THAT is when you have problems, and because you have put them in a position of power in your organization, they can cause you trouble. The rest of us? We just want to ride and honor these fine men and women. Regards.
PGR - Patriot Guard Rider all three words indicate what the group is. Nothing about race, gender, creed, just PATRIOTS. That is what it is all about folks. I have heard some disturbing stories about a person or two in the PGR becoming too much of the 'show' but I refer back to PGR. Whenever I ride with this group, I am proud. I want the family of the people who invite us to be proud as well. Proud of their family, loved ones and us. Let's not get carried away with personalities that’s the LOW road. I don't care who you ride, walk, crawl, or fly with to help our vets and those families of those who don't return from protecting us but please don't post negative nasty comments on any web-site of people trying to help!
Till they are ALL home
James 'Spy' Reilly
President Rolling Thunder
Chapter 9 Ohio
I joined PGR on 20Nov05 because I believed in the Mission. I have not changed my mind because the mission has not changed. It has grown, but that is a good thing. Doesn't a living hero deserve as much honor as one who has paid the ultimate price? Yeah, they do...Stitcher out (stay strong,Jeff)
I would MUCH RATHER WELCOME HOME the vertical ones and thank them for serving face to face. Unfortunately, we also get the horizonal ones, and we cannot thank them face to face. A war is a war, and if you served, you should be honored.....living or dead.
Jeff, at some point in time, egoes were bound to become a factor. How sad. I am so pleased to have had the opportunity to meet you and shake your hand. I'm here for the long haul. Also sad to think that some one(s) think it's all about funerals. Oh to be so shallow. Call on me and/or mine any time. Fellow (and proud of it) PGR, Dene 'BIKEROMA' Dale. 5X Blue Star Mom
Jeff,
I have read many of the comments to your posting on being sad. I am not sure of why someone in Florida feels the need to break from an organization that is free in every sense of the word.
I joined when there were about 5000 members to honor our soldiers. I never was in the military, but if you see me at a mission I am the one wearing the Marine shirt and generally the Marine dew rag. These are in honor of my son who right now is serving this great country as a Marine. He has been to Iraq and thankfully made it home with only one scar. I have a daughter that is in the navy as well and I will honor her on these missions.
I jumped at the chance to join PGR because I feel such gratitude to our men and women of the military, what ever the era. I have no other way of saying thanks other than to tell them myself for what they have done for me and our country.
I have been on two missions and both times I only feel great brotherhood among all of us. I have had many come to me and start chatting because they think I am a vet. Once I tell them it is my son, nothing changes we continue to chat.
This organization is great because of what it stands for. We HONOR those that honor our country with their service. That means at any time. I would HONOR a civil war vet if they were still around. You have given me a way to say thanks to those that do what I did not do. Stay the course and be not weary, for there will always be those that do not see the light.
This has never been nor will it ever be about the the PGR. It is only about those that serve our country and now we can give them just a little service back.
Just my long winded two cents.
Curt Bennett
Alabama PGR (Bulldogroadie)
jeff i too am sadden by this news of offshoots. i joined the PGR in it's infancy, when you have almost 60,000 members there are bound to be folks who want to carry the ball on their own, get reconized, get all the back pats, etc. i was on a mission this last sunday and i am very proud to to be a PATRIOT GUARD RIDER, thanks jeff for all you do, and as the saying goes "carry on"
randy richter
fayetteville ga
I HAVE ONE WORD FOR THIS- E G O
PLEASE REST ASSURED THAT ON MY WATCH THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN OHIO, AND THE TRUE SPIRIT OF OUR MISSIONS HAS GROWN WITH OUR MEMBERSHIP. WE HAVE MANY WHO WANT TO HELP, SO WHY NOT? THE VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE THE ONES THAT BENEFIT. THE WOUNDED ARE OFTEN FORGOTTEN, BUT NO MORE, NEVER AGAIN.
NEVER AGAIN ! REMEMBER THAT ! NEVER AGAIN ! AND DEFINITELY, NOT NOW !
Jeff,
I first heard about the PGR on Sean Hanity's radio program a few months back. About why you and a few of your friends formed the group to shield the grieving familys from the UG. All it took was to view the mission statement and a few of the postings to see how well the mission was being adhered to. Deep called unto deep, I joined that night.
Since then I've had the oppertunity to participate in one mission north of Sacremento last month and saw first hand the positive affect the PGR had for the family and friends of the fallen hero. I am planning to attend another one next week.
So long as we adhere to the mission all will be well.
Brodie
Keep it simple people. This is an honorable thing. The only info I ask is "where and when". No power struggles, no comraderie, no "nothin'"Just let me honor the fallin. I'll be there.
Gary "Sting" McBride
Lt.USN In Country 69-70
The genius of the PGR is it is all inclusive, it has a straightforward mission statement, AND, there really IS no PGR! No dues. No meetings. No nothing.
The only organization that exists here is a website and an attempt to coordinate actions. We are just a bunch of (mostly) Americans that want to respect our service men and women wherever and however we can.
Participation is voluntary, when you can, if you can.
I can. I'll be there.
Woody Phillips
USAF 73-79 AFCS/SAC
Jeff i work in an Airport and go out of my way everytime I see a service member to Say Thank you for your service! I have had the honor to personally help a disabled vet several times. My chances to ride come seldom but I will ride as I can. PGR is a Honorable group. CM Continue to March! Army 1972 -1992
Please to all concerned,I joined the PGR to pay respects to our fallen warriors.KIA or from previous services.The first ride I was honored to be on. Was SGT. Brooks of Birmingham Al.I saw the love and tears from this family to the PGR for being there .I saw the PGR officials in action, to obtain the military Honors for the great vet.Why, I joined> Never again,never again, will our fighting men and women be dishonored for their services.I ride to give respect and to Honor our Heros.My chest swells with pride, as I stand in the heat or rain, or cold, to Honor those who have fallen or returned home from the wars.Any mission for our vets, is a great mission.We have some great leaders in the PGR. I am proud to be a small part of this great organization.We ride in parades,visit the Vet homes and anything necessary to show our vets we care.I would like for the PGR to expand our misiions to help the wounded. So many need help and are not getting this help from our government and VA.Could we charge an annual membership fee.?Take the money and help our disable veterns?Pay rent,groceries,medical bills.Just think.60,000 members times 50.00 =3 million for assistance to our disable vets.Just a thought. May God bless you all and thanks for the leadership. Hang in there, we support you all 100%.
You don't think that this is the "pot" calling the "kettle" black?
We may not be on every mission, but we support 100% what our group is all about. We joined because it is a way to give back to those who have given their all for our freedom. My husband is full time military, and I work for the military too. This group is one of the finest I have ever seen and we will always be proud to be PGR and we constantly tell others about our group. The home page on our website says it all, and if Florida can't understand it, that's their perogative...
Our pride and our patriotism is for our Country! Not a state by state mission. We are proud to be an American citizens, and we stand for American and America's heros...the living and the dead. We stand for respecting a family's right to grieve without discord, and we will stand until the day the PGR rides for us!
I just joined PGR yesterday and have been reading things pertaining to FPR. It's too bad people have to get political and form their own agenda. I am looking forward to being with Patriot Guard Riders and doing what I joined this for - honoring fallen heroes.
I, like some of the other members of PGR heard about this organization and made my first mission this past summer. That was one of the most humbling and satisfying events I have ever been a part of. Not knowing what to expect, I was welcomed with caring handshakes and open arms and made to feel immediately.........that I was a part of this group. This was the Houston group and it was the day that "Termite" Watkins told us about his book and the donotions to PGR from the sales.
Today, I rode with the Beaumont, Tx. group and again........I felt immediately accepted as one of the group. That's because we ARE part of THE group.....PGR! We ALL stand together for the same reasons, with honor, and dignity. This is why I feel that it is so easy for people to accept one another in "OUR PGR" because if you have honor and dignity......it's easy to show respect. Not just for KIA's, but for ANY person who is willing to stand up and step forward, and put him or herself in harms way for the good of our great nation, and our freedoms.
I am a vereran, and I hope, that when my time comes, that I can be honored for my service to this great nation by this respected organization. I also have a daughter who now serves in the Navy, and I hope to be able to honor her return with a Welcome Home Ride with my fellow Guard Riders in the near future. For some of us, this is MUCH more than a club could ever be. I understand the reasons for it's inception, but even with out the protesters..........We ALL needed the PGR. This has allowed so many true American Patriots the ability to show our active military, vets, police, firefighters, and anyone else who makes this country great..........how much we appreciate, honor, respect, and feel about what they do for us. The Honor Rides for the KIA's do just that, Honor the Life Given in the service to our country. But more than that, is to show the family, that will now go on without their loved on, how much that sacrafice meant to all of us.
Someone had to see the need and gather the initial core group. BELIEVE - - - if it is true and with good intentions - - it will grow. We need leaders of this PGR group from the top all the way down to Ride Captains, because without some leadership no one would know where to go, what to do, or how to do it. We need you guys for as long as you can do what you do. At some point, when my schedule allows, I would like to make myself available to help our leaders as they need me. There are some who NEED for others to see them as THE ones to pat on the back for what "WE" do. I think the members who are in this for the right reasons aren't looking for that........when I come away - - I have a feeling of so much peace, comfort, satisfaction, and knowing that what I did made a difference. That's enough for me to ride every chance I get, for the people who stood the watch before me and took the watch when I was Honorably Discharged. I'll stand with my PGR brothers and sisters, rain or shine, hot or cold, with a commitment for life.
I AM PGR, with ALL of YOU.
the 1 Texas Flier
CNS Road Captain
Patriot Guard Rider
I won't even bother to go click on the Florida site. As others have stated, why clutter my mind with the negative when I have it filled with Soldier's parents hugs and thank you's for being there for them! I know what's right and that's what counts. When I go back to work or family and they ask what a "mission" is or what PGR is. It brings tears to their eyes when I tell the story of the fallen hero's family shaking my hand/hugging/crying each 112 of us flag holders in the line...........before or after the services. That is such an overwhelming emotion, one couldn't possibly think it's the wrong thing to do! Thank YOU for all you do EVERYONE!
where did we all become seperated? from the time i decided to protect our great nation March/1973. I became a brother in a military carried by my dad Fred H Cappis USN and my brothers James Smith US ARMY, John M Manis USN. before me. I Proudly Carried the Torch of Freedom for 25yrs before passing it on. but rest assured i proudly pick it up agian without being asked. we are all family.
I am deeply saddened by the recent turn of events in regards to the comments made by the FPG. I have dedicated alot of time and funds to honor our fallen and personally find it repulsive that the fpg would make these kinds of accusations against the PGR. As with any large group growing pains are to be expected but I find the accusations against the PGR nothing more than a hatchet job. The PGR has helped me heal a great deal and the personal satisfaction that it has given me has helped me to finally come to terms with the way alot of VietNam vets were treated when we came home to NOTHING! This is a free country and I admire anyones determination in making sure that what happened to me when I came home , NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. But not at the expense of another . My allegiance is with the PGR and will remain as such.
I have been a member of the Florida Patriot Guard Riders for a couple months now and find myself totally satisfied we are strictly adhering to our mission statement. It never ceases to amaze me how politics can even rear its ugly head in a good cause like ours. Shame on those who are trying to take us down.
They have forgotten........it's not about us, it's about the MISSION.
I,ve only been a member of the pgr here in phoenix since January, but without exception,every mission,and every pgr rider that i've stood next to,have proven the fact that these guys and gal's are truly my brothers and sisters. I would be honored to stand with any and all. We stand together to honor our fallen hero's honor their familes,and their friends.I thank God everytime that i have the privilege to stand with you all. GOD BLESS the PGR and GOD BLESS each and everyone of you
The FPG was simply formed by a bunch of LEO's in wannabee MC clubs and LEO wannabees who wont ride on missions with either 1% M/C members or other traditional M/C's they term as "puppet clubs" Several are in cop clubs that slap a patch on, call themselves M/C's and get no respect from traditional M/C's who have actually followed the proper protocols, traditions and customs of M/C culture and "earned" their colors. They basically give the "finger" to true M/C's and hate them with all they can muster. These people are the problem, not the M/C's. These people are a good share of what the FPG is comprised of. They put their blind hatred of these M/C's before the true purpose and meaning of these missions and cant see anything else. Any one who doesnt think this is accurate only needs to go to the Delphi Forums and look up the "Motorcycle Life Forum" (MLF) http://forums.delphiforums.com/MotorcycleLife/start . It's hosted by a true "legend unto his self" nutcase who goes by the name "Doc" and is overwhelmed by LEO's who just cant bash M/C's and their supporters hard enough. Anyone who even mildly disagrees is torn into with a flaming 10 paragraph dissertation on why they are wrong, called names, slammed and banned. You will see several folks you might recognize who formed and still exist in the FPR. These people are not rational and their posts in this forum will bear this out. Dont believe me?. Go see for yourself.
They state at the FPR site :
"The Florida Patriot Guard chooses to avoid any official affiliation with 1% MCs."
"We absolutely understand that many 1% club members are veterans and
non-veterans who wish to honor our fallen American Heroes. We respect
their intent in that matter; however we also understand the need for a patriotic organization that Law Enforcement and active military personnel can join without violating the oaths and accountabilities of their chosen career. Because we have no official affiliation with 1% MCs, the Florida Patriot Guard is that organization."
This is absolute nonsense. Riding to a funeral for a fallen soldier isnt "associating". This isnt really much different than having cops escort a ride at any venue that might have M/C members in the mix. This need not be a social endeavor. Go, stand for the soldier and keep the proper perspective. Simple....not for them though. Military folks can also associate with whomever they want as far as they know. Like anyone else...as long as they dont break any laws. Freedom of association is still alive. The decided to lump active military in to this for some reason. They CHOOSE to take this stance for their own selfish and biased reasons. They also CHOOSE to belittle and slam the PGR for not falling lock step with their position. I call BS on this and am glad many others in this fine organization see through this garbage as well.
Respects to those that deserve it. PGR riders deserve it.
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I am a new PGR and as such rode my first mission this pasty week. I am a veteran and believe that all veterans are heros no matter when or where they may have served and I will honor they till the day I die. I am dam proud to be a PGR and intend to be for the rest of my life. There is no lime light in what we do just honor and love. Jim Baughn Tulsa, OK.